Mandriva 2008 Review
Losing the Magic
Mandriva is a commercial Linux distribution: emerged from the ashes for Mandrake and Connectiva. Mandrake was the trend-setter for user-friendliness in Linux. Mandrake was Ranked #1 distribution for a long time before Ubuntu took over. Currently Mandriva is ranked #8 at distrowatch. Mandriva comes in different versions; one (single CD), free (OSS only), PowerPack, Discovery. I am using free DVD version for the review.
Test Machine
Pentium D 2.8 GHz with 2 gig of RAM, Nvidia 7300GS with 256 meg RAM and 19" wide screen monitor.
Booting
"Mandriva One" is the live CD; "Free" does not come with a live CD environment. So if you are curious whether all the hardware will properly function or not, you have to download a separate CD. I preferred to wait and see once the installation is complete.
After installation, desktop came up with native 1440x900@Hz. Only a few distributions are actually able to correctly configure a wide-screen monitor, thus Mandriva scores high points for this.
Installation
The installation process is a bit changed; changes seem to be influenced by PCLOS. Graphical Installer comes up and walks you through the installation process. The standard questions are asked. The security configuration that used to be the first screen, has been moved to post-install configuration page.
Mandriva searches for all the installed linux distributions and provides you the option for upgrading the compatible distributions. For my system, the installer gave me option to upgrade existing Centos, Ark, PCLOS distributions. I have never tried the upgrade path, but would certainly like to try them out once.
You can easily manage your partitions to accommodate the new installation. A new desktop selection screen is added. With this you can pick either Gnome or KDE as your default desktop environment. After the selection, installation starts and takes approximately 15 minutes to complete.
Post-Install configuration shows the most changes. It is now much more similar to the PCLOS configuration, and it is really awkward. Time-zone and country selection is a complete mess. The configuration for auto-login is missing. My wireless network card was not detected. The only good part came with desktop resolution. The driver for the graphics card was nv instead of nvidia.
Aesthetics
Mandriva still retain the La Ora theme introduced in the earlier version. For the Free version its light blue and really pleasing to the eyes. But the fonts were looking really bad.
Applications
Being a DVD install there are plenty of softwares available. But majority of the software is of older version. Open Office is 2.2.1 instead of the latest 2.3.0 and Firefox is 2.0.0.6 instead of the latest 2.0.0.7. Additional repositories can be configured to install more software as well. This installation failed for me though.
Multimedia
Surprisingly the Free version comes with the audio/video codecs preinstalled. The kaffeine wizard reported lack of win32 codecs and libdvdcss. But, astonishingly, I was able to play MP3 files, WMV files, and DVDs.
Eye Candy
Mandriva comes with Mettese and Compiz Fusion. But I was not able to use them with the default nv drivers. I needed nvidia drivers for 3D acceleration but was unable to install the nvidia drivers.
When I tried installing the drivers from on-line repositories, the installer was unable to set up any repository as it was always "unable to parse media.cfg". When I tried to manually build the drivers, nvidia.ko failed to load because either there was a version mismatch between the gcc used to build the kernel and gcc present on the system, or something regarding mis-configured headers.
This experience makes me think about the beta testing employed by Mandriva. These bugs should have been ironed out in beta and should not have made it to the release candidate. But, here they are in the release.
Conclusion
Mandrake used to have a unique identity. Initial versions of Mandriva continued with that identity. But the latest version seems to be shedding that identity, and becoming a shadow of other distributions. If you want to lead, don't follow someone else.
The current version is at best pathetic. It is below the expectation level of a free distribution, leave out commercial distribution. Hope that Mandriva tries to regain its vision and identity with future versions.
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I would not be that tough as you, however my Mandriva 2008 experience lasted about one hour. I was not able to make the fonts look at least decent. Whatever settings I tried it all ended in total crap. The same settings usually work well with Ubuntu, Debian ans openSuSE. But not so with Mandriva. It's pity, as I liked performance of Mandriva, but I really cannot stand crappy looking system. So I went back to SuSE. It is not perfect, but still much better.
Why did you go for the Free edition(free as in speech), and not the One-edition if you need propietary drivers for your hardware? The One livecd comes with Nvidia-driver and configures your card automaticaly.
Your review is based on mandriva one rc2?
The final version is the better live cd I've seen.
Oh came on the, nvidia propietary driver comes with in the one edition live cd and compiz fusion works very well with fx5200 card. The fonts looks good and smooth.
It seems to me it's a biased report.
Mandriva One 2008 KDE was very good for me. Its aesthetics is much much better than any other Linux distro. There were some minor glitches like the Keyboard layout was in French though I those US english as install language. Its six days I installed it in my desktop and I m still glued to it. The fonts are not bad as mentioned. The propreitry nvidia drivers were loaded and Compiz worked well. Overall I am really impressed with Mandriva One 2008. I also don't see Mandriva trying to loose identity. It is only getting better with great eye candy and good hardware support.
I have to say this is a rather poor and misleading review. I had a very good experience when installing the official release of Mandriva 2008 Power Pack, which I heavily recommend. I did find that the nVidia drivers did not work out the box as was the case with 2007 but with some rooting I had the official nVidia drivers up and running in no time. This is class Linux distro and the best yet from Mandriva.
Well getting ready to try it so we will see. I was a avid SuSE user last being 10.2 cut SusE off for PCLinuxOS way better in my opinion, It just worked. Now I will try Mandriva 2008. Comments to follow.
-Big Pun
Some points and corrections:
- The live cd you mention is installable and is actually the preferred method of installation now, just like Kubuntu or PCLOS. It also comes with proprietary drivers for nvidia, ati and wifi cards.
- Mandriva isn't copying PCLOS it's PCLOS using the drak tools developed by Mandriva Soft, but they're perfectly ok to do so because it's all gpl.
- Autologin option is right there when you create users don't know how you could miss it.
- The media.cfg problem was just temporary mirror breakage you should've tried another mirror or waited a day.
- Nvidia and wifi drivers are in the "non-free" repository. If you want to compile the nvidia driver yourself you need a package called kernel-devel with all the headers, it's right there on the DVD. There is no "gcc mismatch" or any such thing.
All in all a very poor review, you failed to research the basic facts before posting.
f you want to compile the nvidia driver yourself you need a package called kernel-devel with all the headers, it's right there on the DVD. There is no "gcc mismatch" or any such thing.
Did you even bother to read the review? Its clearly mentioned that
"When I tried to manually build the drivers, nvidia.ko failed to load "
If you understand what does compilation means and what is the end result you would not have mentioned the kernel-devel dependency. When the output(*.ko) is generated it means the input(kernel-devel) was correct
I have also really bad experience with Mandriva. I thought that Mandriva will continue to set user-interface standards, but this release is not even at par with other disros.
Well tried it and........It looks like PCLinuxOS is still the choice for me still haven't found a distro that works and feels as good as PCLinuxOS Sorry Mandriva. I know PCLOS is a fork but it still rocks
- Big Pun
plus it wouldn't install the cups server!!! So I took my Mandriva 2008 DVD to the toilet and took a hefty POOP on it! Problem is it wont flush. Guess it will stay in there for awhile
-Big Pun
Someone wrote: All in all a very poor review, you failed to research the basic facts before posting.
I couldn't agree more. There are some things presented here that are simply wrong.
First of all PCLinuxOS 2007 is heavily based on Mandriva 2007.0 ONE and the install process is almost simular. It's clear which one of the two is inpired and based on the other. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. The install process in 2008 is still basic Mandriva and still the very best in the world of Linux.
Secondly, a conclusion should summon up the whole review. I can't really see the negative parts of the review that justifies the somewhat harsh tone in the conclusion. It does not match the review.
In general I'm growing a bit tired of the competitive tone in the world of Linux. The progress of ANY Linux system is a significant step forward and Mandriva keeps paving the way in that area. IMO, it's the leading Linux system in terms of usability, GUI solutions an aesthetics. Mandriva 2008 and the 2007.1 release are by far the best and most mature Linux systems I've tried and I've tried quite a few.
Also people should give any distro a fair chance before writing comments like "I threw it in the toilet". You'll always need to adapt when trying out a new system. Give it some time and a real go, before passing on ignorant judgements, that are of no use.
All in all. Great release by Mandriva. Cheers
I strongly disagree with your review. I'm fairly new to Linux, within the last couple of months I open mindedly tried many of the free distros available.Mandriva 2008, by far, is the easiest to install. Once on my computer it did everything I asked of it without a glitch. It's capable, efficient and solid! I'm sticking with Mandiva.
Ok, out of all complete fairness Mandriva 2008 is solid, beautiful looking and mostly good all around from what I have seen, Now keep in mind I am fully aware of the fact that PCLOS was born from this. Fact still remains that everything still works with PCLOS and a few things didn't with Mandriva. But back to back truly Mandriva 2008 was great EXCEPT the fact I couldnt install the cup server from the get go nor would it complete other tasks in the Control Center was a complete headache. I tried 2 diffrent burns from 2 diffrent burners and still the same.
- Big Pun
Oh and for throwing it in the toilet, Big damn deal I was frustrated and I have a complete right to feel and express my feelings on that matter :)
- Big Pun
I have always liked Mandriva though I use PCLinuxOS 2007. Your review seems little harsh on Mandriva 2008, but I will try it anyways.
Mandriva 2008...SLOW, SLOW, SLOW, This operating system has to be the slowest I have seen. I even disabled Beagal helper and kerry all around and it still Hog sucks the memory? I have a fast enough system by any means. The OS glitches bad. Before this I to was running pclinuxos2007 and wow what a performance hit with Mandriva 2008.0 powerpack, yuk!
Two points.
As along time PCLinuxOS user, I had to abandon because PCLinuxOS did not support the wireless, card reader or DVD burner on my new laptop. I went to Linux Mint KDE edition which OK pretty good. But I have found that with Mandriva 2008 my wireless has never worked better and my DVD burner is supported. Still trying to get the card reader going.
Second, I had absolutely no problem getting the CUPS driver to work.
I can understand why OO 2.3 didn't make it. For those that absolutely must have OO 2.3 they shoudl post instructions on how to remove 2.2.1 and install 2.3. I did this, but the issue I'm having is that the 2.3 RPM install looks ugly, as the controls seem to have a Java-ish look to them instead of the native look.
Overall I think Mandriva is a big step forward.
I also agree that the combative nature among distro fanboys needs to stop. The PCLinuxOS fan boys are just as guilty as anyone when it comes to distro bashing.
Combative fan boy needs to stop? Well what the hell do you think they make so many diffrent distros for? to choose and be a fan of. Choice! Choice Choice. And we can chose to be fans of... Hello!
Choice is one thing.. bashing is a whole different story.
I've probably been using Linux far longer than most, and have tried a multitude of distro's. They -all- have strong and weakpoints, that's just how it is, but every Linux distro should receive at least a fair review.
Linux is Linux is Linux, no matter how you look at it. The differences between distro's are what software is provided along with it, and any other utilities or software developed and used by the distro itself.
They all use the same kernel (with customizations/additions), and they all use the same basic utiltities and software.
Mandriva 2008...SLOW, SLOW, SLOW, This operating system has to be the slowest I have seen. I even disabled Beagal helper and kerry all around and it still Hog sucks the memory? I have a fast enough system by any means. The OS glitches bad. Before this I to was running pclinuxos2007 and wow what a performance hit with Mandriva 2008.0 powerpack, yuk!
what, do you have a system with 128 MB RAM? It works fine with 512MB RAM, which is standard today.
Hmmmm lets see. I have 4 gig pc26400 whisch a 32 bit system only regognizes 3 due to the 32 bit hole, but you knew that. I have a core duo... enough said. I have a nvidia 7950gt 512mb and I don't think i need to mention more Mandriva is slow and it sucks!!!! No other distro LAGS! like it, also for the Guy that said "Bashing is another thing how bout a bash on you ? people can speak there minds if they wanna bash let them you are voicing your view point, who the hell cares. You get all worked up about someone bashing a distro, you must be a newbie for sure.
"I've probably been using Linux far longer than most" Thats what the guy says? Well I use BSD and every once in awhile I use Linux At times. Just because you have been using it longer than most. DON'T NECESSARILY mean you know more than most. So get your Mandriva 2008 Flag and go wave it down town if ya love it :)
The bad things about the Google engine is that i ask for {mandriva 2008 review} and the first result of my search is this blog written by somebody who obviously dont know much about Linux and a kid telling about in washroom experience. Man they ought to fix that search engine...
You must be the dork kid in the washroom and the one who don't know much about Linux thats why you are looking
Yeah he was referring to himself, lol
I don't agree with your review! Mandriva 2008 is the best GNU/Linux release ever. It looks professional like an expensive commercial OS and everything works out-of-the-box.
Mandriva 2008 is a stable linux offering from my useage so far ( review to follow) , but Im not so sure the same could be said for pclinusOX , which right on their download page urges cautious as your using 'Experimental' software.
I find it really interesting that someone would choose linux which is virus free and seeming stable OS, only to choose a linux offering that tells you upfront its experimental ; red flags waving in the wind comes to mind and I just wont go there, as I respect my data too much.
I also prefer mandriva because my 'choice' is respected enough to be referred to without using hot button words as well ;-)
All distros have their pros and cons like the other poster said but for me mandriva trys the most to create a cohesive whole made for new users and advanced ones alike, and I am convinced they make it look the best from start to finish.
I love urpmi/e/f and all other well thought out tools and I also admire the grub boot menu as the others make it look rather simplistic and unprofessional by comparison. I actuallly wish mandriva had support coming for CNR but maybe it has plans for a comple te alternative,- possibly packageKit ?
Cu at the review page real soon ;)
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Ya big dummy!!!!! 'Experimental' software' meaning there testing repositories. you need to post elsewhere ya fruitcake
WOW!! some people really don't know what they are talking about do they. I agree it is there testing repo's. And NO Mandriva 2008 don't just work out of the box.
Your discourse is ignornant and shallow and not desired on any public forum so just give it up..-- or have everyone realize your words are meaningless ..oh wait everyone DOES already :)
You can't claim that experimental software is better than non experimental software. There is no logic in that statement...but wait your not being logical only spreading idiocy using fanboy simplistic childish terms ;)
and YES mandriva does just work OUT OF THE BOX>.if you had 'tried it' you would have known that..HMM I wonder how much pclinuxOS is paying you to be fanboys spreading FUD ? T hat doesn't look good for them does it ;)
You are no better than M$ and its FUD machines; as a matter of fact I would say worse because you are spreading FUD about freely obtainable software, which makes you far worse,- and you should be ashamed but clearly by the words your using YOU AREN'T ;))
cya-
fa
It must be nice to be a windows user yesterday and a Linux pro today :)
FH
and NOW that we all know that pclinuxOS BOTS are inflating the PHR I think its obvious now to everyone what a SHAM pcLOSS really is.
flubber tits > pclOSS!!
hahaha
fa!
"Anonymous said...
and NOW that we all know that pclinuxOS BOTS are inflating the PHR I think its obvious now to everyone what a SHAM pcLOSS really is.
flubber tits > pclOSS!!
hahaha
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WOW! what a retard!! he seems slow like windows. Obviously a kid in the blog.
Ok guys. you just forget that 90 percent or more of users use XP or Vista. I read half of comments and my impression is that ALL THE LINUX IS A CRAP. But it is not. If only Windows had these problems.
So - please stop saying shit about any distro - ALMOST ALL OF THEM are just good.
I understand people that hate Linux - just because of community - which distor is the best???? Is that of so great importance???
Sorry for one more bad comment and english even worse.
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The author should acknowledge that PCLinuxOS was originally based on mandrake Linux. However, its possible that mandriva has been trying to borrow some features of present-day PCLinuxOS. Other than that the review is hard-hitting and rightly points out the many shortcomings of the 2008.0 release and the lack of sufficient alpha/beta testing. The proof of the pudding is in its eating and does show mandriva as a declining distro that was once number 1 (in 2004) but now is at 8-th in 2007, as per http://distrowatch.com/. I have used various releases of opensuse and fedora (and even ubuntu). Until recently, fedora and ubuntu were hard to boot (post-install) from an external USB drive. Presently, fedora 7/8 have overcome such problems. Opensuse 10.1/10.2/10.3 seems more robust than fedora and has a better installer. However, mandriva installer seems better than fedora for sure (specially the network/ftp/http installation features with a ready-made list of mirrors). Nevertheless, its time for mandriva to become more "open" and do more vigorous beta testing to improve the over-all quality.
O.K. Finally a solid comment in this area from the above post. I agree with you 100%, great post.
Hi Author,
Only last night I tried Mandriva 2008 Free DVD and Mandriva 2008 One CD, on the same notebook. First I tried the One CD. Though it has all the proprietary stuffs, it's fast and usable. The only negative point is system startup and shutdown. There is bug in shutdown and it takes long to shutdown.
However, the free DVD is more polished than the One CD. The cons of the Mandriva 2008 Free DVD is it's slow, and no doubt many more buts than the 2007 edition. But don't get me wrong, many of those bugs are not a problem for home desktop users, and the corporate user are anyways using the paid version.
Those looking for stability for the price of speed should use Mandriva 2008; and those speed-hungry whom stability does not matter should try the One CD.
Great post Manmath
I'm ditching Mandriva for now and moving to LinuxMint 4.0 until the next PCLOS release. I hope that in the time I'm away Mandriva will have applied their effort to produce a more polished product both front and back end.
An argument about whether a distro runs ROTB or not is subjective and unfair because the person with whom you toss drivvle at isn't running the same PC as you. For some it'll work fine and others may have issues. Me, I had issues, but figured I'd be okay since I would receive 'expert support' along with my PowerPack purchase. Boy, was I wrong. expected to at least get 'some' assistance with my PowerPack purchase. Ha, boy, was I wrong. Two months later and I still don't have any sound, I have to go everywhere else for updates and programs that Mandriva doesn't offer itself nor configure the system for at first installation (ummm...remind me, what are we paying Mandriva for?), and then I find out that the reason I haven't been able to request or receive support is because a link between the Store and it's authorizing x-amount of support has been messed up. Hey, that's fine, but to just disappear without any mention of it anywhere is misleading and wrong.
I'm running a Duo 2 Quad processor, 2Gb RAM, NVIDIA 7600-series video, and two SATA drives. While not top of the line, it's no slouch.
Requests for expert help were impossible to complete following the online process. I later went to my purchase receipt and contacted the MandrivaStore for assistance. Their reply left me feeling not better, but worse concerning my purchase. I've included the eMail response below that I received just yesterday, but will close out here by saying that I'll be requesting my money back and going to LinuxMint 4.0. So far that has been a distro that installed easily, detected everything correctly, was quick, and had a good polished feel to it and how things were laid out. You may now return to your silly banter that only adolescents would be expected to partake in.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
---msg received today, 18Dec2007---
Hi Mr. X
We apologize for the inconvenience. Unfortunately we have a problem to
activate keys on expert.mandriva.com and we try to resolve it. When it will
fixed we will give you a new key to have 3 months support.
Thank you for your patience and understanding.
Best regards,
XxXXxxX - Mandrivastore
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
WOW, have to say that post should turn heads. All Mr. X wanted was what he paid for, some support very little at that. Mandriva 2008 not happening with me. Thanks for the post Mr. X
I also have to disagree with the review, and I can also prove the comments that Mandriva is slow wrong (you must have issues with your setup). I have a IBM X23 (384mb RAM) and Mandriva 2008 One runs nicely on it. It's even better on my IBM T41.
It has a professional looking (unlike ubuntu) design and the control center features are nice. I rank it 3rd in the distro releases of 2007.
http://www.bitburners.com/articles/the-best-desktop-linux-distribution-of-2007/3894/
It's odd that Mandriva 2008 although the latest from the Mandriva camp seems to work best on older, 1999-2001 hardware.
Everyone that has somewhat older hardware has a pretty good experience in Mandriva 2008 (especially the Gnome version) - I am no exception I am using Mandriva on a PIII with a Radeon 7000 - while flash is slower than PCLINUXOS it is more stable and speedy than the former.
My only gripe with Mandriva 2008 is the included Firefox spellchecker - according to it - every last word in this post has a "red line error" under it.
They screwed the firefox pretty bad.
not the best (I tried every possible major distro, ubuntu, rhel, mint, plos, sled, you name it). but mandriva is quite good. easy to use. most importantly it's the only distro that actually installed correct drivers for BOTH the sound and wireless on my acer. others have failed in one or the other.
Was looking for some reviews on Mandriva and came by this one and in reading the comments I see lots of praise about how PCLOS is the distro of all distro's. Well from a long time PCLOS user the praise is true enough I suppose and even though PCLOS is my fav it certainly does have some strange quirks. As an example DVB-S configuration on the default PCLOS kernel is pure hell compared to how easy it is with the latest and greatest Ubuntu. Ubuntu is a dog though and I've personally never liked Gnome since the first time I seen and used after installing Abit's Gentus Linux back in the late 90's. Kubuntu looks goods but alas I guess I'm just not a Debian kinda guy. So anyway cut Mandriva some slack, I mean the top dawg on distro watch is a derivative of Mandriva so IMO Mandrive is likely a pretty solid distro.
Cheers...
of all the distros i have tried, mandriva one 2008 spring has been the only one to correctly detect and activate all my hardware and connect me to the internet without anu fuss at all.
this is also the only distro I have where I havent been to the command line terminal or the help forums since I installed the distro and have my internet connection for one month already. the reason for this is simple. mandriva takes care of all those linux esoteric configurations (esoteric for me as im a newbie) automatically so I can concentrate on on the task on hand.
previous to this I had ubuntu 7.1 and 8.04 and man, did I have to consult the forums and work on the command line for many manual configurations that were automatically taken cared of in mandriva 2008 one spring!
so yeah! i love mandriva. for me, IT IS THE BEST!
Well I have to say, I did what Big Pun u Nasty did, took the dvd to the toilet and took a hefty dump on it! That distro is home now with the rest of the crap where it belongs.
VIVA UBUNTU!!!!
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